Parasites/lyme vitamin C/salt treatment

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Parasites/lyme vitamin C/salt treatment

Postby JeniB » Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:15 pm

http://www.lymephotos.com/index.shtml

found this interesting. We have really upped our salt intake with the fermented cabbage juice, just wondering if this is helping us in a different way somehow. Their theory on our society using less salt and how traditionally salt was used to cure meats (kind of treating it for parasites and bacteria) and for vegetable fermentation. That our use of salt decreasing has increased our problems with bacteria and parasites. supposedly parasites hate salt. I've seen this with a slug that's for sure. Very interesting theory and I do wonder if this is a way to look at keeping the worms at bay? All animals love to lick salt, deer, cattle. very interesting treatment.

http://www.lymephotos.com/theory/index.html

Amanda, you'll love reading this site. Have you looked into this idea before?

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Re: Parasites/lyme vitamin C/salt treatment

Postby dgdavis64 » Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:48 pm

Thanks for sharing this Jen!

Anyone surprised by this:

We have tried on three occasions to get help through the CDC to no avail. The responses were things such as: thanks, we'll forward to a lyme researcher; or, we don't accept contributions or downloads from individuals; or, these pictures are obviously fakes. Whatever these pictures represent, they are not fakes or frauds.



Imagine, the CDC labeling OTHERS as "frauds." :?

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Re: Parasites/lyme vitamin C/salt treatment

Postby amanda NC » Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:16 pm

Yes, thank you for sharing this!! Yes, actually, I am familiar with the protocol--but have never done it. I studied up on this a bit years ago when I was exploring the possibility that lyme was the cause of my son's autism and my family's health problems--it seemed a good fit since we were all sick in some way. But then I figured out some things about mold, and went off in that direction. I didn't really get on the parasite bandwagon until about a year ago, and never thought about his again. It is exactly what I need! It makes so much sense, really. And a good thing that I can try on myself before I try on my kids.

It is so interesting you should post this now. I had a HUGE die-off event this last weekend, and I had just decided that it was because I have been, for the last week, taking epsom salts baths again, plus oral magnesium for sleep, plus a glass of baking soda water to calm my very, very acidic stomach at night, plus two days of vermox. :shock: Didn't do it on purpose, it just shook out this way. I got hugely puffy, like an allergic reaction or like my body was full of toxins or an infection. I also had a BAD headache and felt almost crazy--huge fight with hubby, and then went to bed and slept for the day. Just a mess. The puffiness is subsiding. I thought magnesium overdose, but now that you post this, I am wondering if this was parasite die-off due to the huge amount of salt I ingested with the treatments above, plus vermox on top of it all.

And if that's true, I really hate to think what it means.

Yeah--the CDC calling anybody a fraud is crazy.
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Re: Parasites/lyme vitamin C/salt treatment

Postby Kari » Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:01 pm

Do you think part of the salt theory is that we don't get all those good trace minerals that are in unrefined salt? The salt people commonly use now is refined and lacking all that good stuff. We are using unrefined sea salt and Redmond's natural salt. You can potentially get a lot of trace minerals if your doing salt treatment and using a good quality salt. It's probably still not as many trace minerals as our ancestors used to get from the soil and everything...

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Re: Parasites/lyme vitamin C/salt treatment

Postby amanda NC » Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:25 pm

something else I've read is that the table salt we use is simply sodium chloride, and as you say, not the mix of trace minerals that is in sea salt. But the concern in the article I read was that sodium chloride, without the magnesium and other trace minerals is utilized differently by the body and that's why salt seems to be detrimental today. I have read that sea salt is totally safe in large quantities and that table salt is not--but that's internet info, and not something I'd rely on without more research.
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Re: Parasites/lyme vitamin C/salt treatment

Postby CdB » Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:16 pm

Curious to know if anyone here has every tried this protocol. I know that my son does best when drinking beet kvass which is very salty and wonder if salt is the reason along with fermented nutrients and probiotics.

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Re: Parasites/lyme vitamin C/salt treatment

Postby CdB » Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:21 pm

Salt and Vitamin C Protocol

4/10/2014

What is the science behind Salt/C? How does this simple protocol help people with Lyme Disease and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, when so many other protocols fail? I think the most accurate answer is that nobody really knows. But there are many possible explanations. Here are a few scientific explanations that seem plausible.

1 – The Salt/C dose temporarily elevates blood salinity, which causes osmotic shock to certain vulnerable bacteria (they are dehydrated after being forced to take in more salt than they can excrete)
2 – Salt powers certain white blood cells, particularly the neutrophils, which use the salt to kill certain bacteria
3 – Salt alkalinizes the blood slightly
4 – We are salt deficient due to an infection that alters aldosterone/adrenal levels, perhaps because the bug prefers a lower sodium environment, and the salt/c improves that situation
5 – Salt has a detoxifying effect at a cellular level, as this is a player in osmotic processes (this may be very helpful with intercellular infections like Borrelia or mycoplasma, as the salt gets into the cell and may work against those pathogens)
6 – We are somewhat dehydrated due to infection/toxin load, and the salt allows us to absorb more water (this might be particularly helpful for the lymphatic system)
7 – Salt addresses gut dysbiosis, killing many pathogens and promoting growth of good bacteria (the same effect as using salt in fermentation of some foods)
8 – Some parasites, particularly nematodes (as shown on LymePhotos.com) are known to be sensitive to salinity levels and they will move to areas of the body with their favorite salinity, moving away from salt doses
9 – One study demonstrated that nematodes can be paralyzed by high doses of salt, so perhaps this allows the immune system to find and destroy them
10 – A salt shock causes a burst of adrenal activity, as the adrenals must signal the kidneys to desalinate the blood a bit, and dump the excess
11 – Once the adrenal activity from the initial salt dose is finished, the salt allows the adrenals to rest, as ordinarily they must work harder when we are sodium deficient (because they must produce a hormone, aldosterone, to keep the sodium in circulation longer when deficient)
12 – We all have an infection-induced form of something called ‘channelopathy’ which means that our electrolyte ions are dangerously low, and the salts help restore that (this is the basis of the Spanish product ‘Recup’ that has reversed FM/CFS for some people over the course of 1-2 years, although they do not include the infection part)
13 - The ascorbic acid boosts white cell production, and the salt then powers the cells, so it is a win-win situation
14 – We are making up for decades of salt deficiency, and the body simply has to work though the things it would ordinarily have taken care of over those decades. This may include EMOTIONAL issues that we have not been able to process properly due to lack of electrolytes and thus low or unbalanced neurological and brain activity (maybe this explains why past emotional events sometimes emerge during Salt/C herx, we are being prompted by the emotional brain to deal with it now that we have salt).
15 – Many body fluids rely on salt, such as blood, sweat, and tears, (perhaps also lymphatic fluids?) and because we tend to be salt deficient, when we correct that deficiency all of these fluids work better.
16 – The good salt is finally pushing out bad salts and other bad minerals and toxins, and it is those bad salts and toxins that have allowed us to be sick. Sort of like putting good gas into a car after years of bad gas, it has to burn out the bad stuff.
17 – Many (or most?) people with Lyme are sodium and potassium deficient, and because cellular metabolism is powered by a sodium-potassium pump action, this leads to lower cellular function.
18 – Salt helps relax muscles, and this has many positive effects, for example this could reduce detox load, and also lower load on the heart
19 – Salt is a corrosive agent and actually may address problems with hypercoagulation, or other build-ups that are common with Lyme and related diseases.
20 - Salt provides a key building block for stomach acid. This improves digestion which is often compromised with this illness. The relevant formula is that the Salt (NaCl) mixes with water and carbon dioxide, producing hydrocloric acid and sodium bicarbonate. This is expressed as: H2O + C02 + NaCl == NaHCO3 + HCl.
21 - Salt provides sodium bicarbonate (see formula above), a known antimicrobial, used sometimes in dentistry to treat periodontal disease. This is a particularly interesting explanation since the combination of sodium bicarbonate and hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) has been used with great success in treating difficult periodontal infections. Since neutrophils (immune cells) make their own H2O2, perhaps the availability of sodium bicarbonate provides an additional boost to their function.
22 – Salt/C may be a natural form of the ‘Marshall Protocol’ in which two medications are used to address infected blood cells. The MP uses an anti-inflammatory drug (Benicar) and a mild abx like Minocycline. Vitamin C has anti-inflammatory properties and may act somewhat like the Benicar and salt is a known broad-spectrum anti-microbial (see 21 above) and may act like Minocycline.
23 - Salt increases the enzyme elastase in our tissues which punches holes into the microbes and parasites and makes them vulnerable to our immune mechanisms (per Robert Bransford's article in Townsend).
24 - Natural forms of salt may address some of the mineral loss associated with mercury toxicity.
25 - Salt enhances blood volume, which can dramatically help some people with CFS and Lyme. Dr Paul Cheney, an expert in CFS, strongly advocates using sodium/potassium drinks at least twice a day to increase blood volume. This is related to his current hypothesis of cardiac involvement in CFS and low stroke volume (from a diastolic heart dysfunction) that he is finding in people with CFS. His recommendation (http://www.gookinaid.com/) is similar to Recup, with both sodium and potassium salts. This can also be made at home by using equal parts of regular salt with a potassium salt (a salt substitute works). Here is a link to the homebrew version from Dr. Cheney's June 2005 talk on cardiac issues in CFS (search for 'Gookinaid' in the document).
26 - A salt dose that raises blood salinity will lower the level of aldosterone, allowing the salt to be evacuated. Is it possible that something ELSE is also allowed to be evacuated? Maybe the perpetual high aldosterone levels from sodium depletion (which most Lymies have) is having some secondary effect, retaining some toxin in the blood perhaps, and the salt dose relieves that. Therefore a small salt dose could trigger a detox effect. And when toxins leave, more are queued up to be evacuated later, and toxin movement generates a lot of various symptoms…. So maybe the salt dose is helping eliminate bad minerals – including metals.
27 - The body is an electro-chemical device, producing extensive electrical fields and charges. Some people have theorized that subtle energy fields in the body are essential for cell-to-cell communication and immune functions. Also, many people are quite sensitive to electromagnetic fields. Salt is a strong electrolyte, and with a sodium dificiency some of the fields of the body may be weak. Therefore, Salt/C may be restoring electrical fields and thus enhancing any biologic and/or control processes in the body that rely on those fields.
28 - Salt water is a high alkalinizing drink. Alkaline drinks have the know effect of impeding the excretion of Vitamin C, therefore prolonging its action. As Vitamin C is known to have a powerful immune-enhancing effect, taking the C with Salt water may produce a multiplier effect, in which the effective dose of C is much higher than the actual dose. Reference: Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C.
29 - Salt and water may provoke increased lymphatic fluid flow, through the mechanism of increased blood volume. This is becasue excess blood plasma leaks from capillaries and that forms the basis of the lymphatic, or interstitial fluid. There is more lymphatic fluid in the body than there is blood. And most of the Lyme toxins end up in the lymphatic system since that is where the body processes lipids, and Lyme toxins are lipid-based. If this thinking is correct, then increased lymphatic flow will have a detoxifying effect.


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