Four Year Old Vaccines

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momof6
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Four Year Old Vaccines

Postby momof6 » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:46 am

Hi Everyone, Long time no talk. It's been a crazy summer. I need to catch up on everyone's posts and see how all your kiddos are doing, and if any kids here are closer to recovery.

Conor, my sweet little HFA boy who just turned 6 last month, has all the same issues as before....language/speech deficits, social deficits, slower processing, sensory issues. He's moving along his own curve. He doesn't understand the world but he's trying so hard. I have a big IEP fight ahead of me because our small school district just pulled his IEP at the end of last year because he tested well enough on paper. I think the school did a lot of creative testing and just wanted to pull services. If I allowed it, Conor would easily fall through the cracks, but I won't let that happen. Last year in Kindergarten, he didn't make any friends. I'd watch kids scoot away from him when he'd sit down. He played by himself a lot, talked to himself and sang to himself a lot. Makes me tear up thinking about it. He's also not able to assert himself at an age-appropriate level. At home, he melts down often with his siblings. At school, he withdraws, isolates and becomes saddened. Our poor ASD kids are so fragile.

We're still doing supps and chelating, following a very basic GF/CF diet. That's about it in addition to his private OT & speech therapies. We saw our biomed/DAN doc for our annual visit with no nice gains to report after a biofilm protocol last year, a couple new supps, etc.. She recommended CD/MMS. I just cannot do it. So, I'm at a standstill with Conor. Our home environment is crazy with all our other kids. Sometimes that's good for him, sometimes it's bad. He's talking and interacting with his siblings all the time which I know some ASD kids dont' have that constant interaction, but it's not always the right kind of positive interactions that he should be learning. I can't shadow/monitor them all day long with our large family.

At any rate, right before I started biomed, Conor was four years old and he had just received all his 4-year old vaccines. I know....it was a mistake to flood his system with all those toxins in light of all his delays. I didn't know that at the time.

Well, my youngest b/g twins just turned 4 years old and they're due for their school physicals this month and vaccinations. I hope this doesn't offend anyone or start a huge debate. I just want personal stories/advice about the siblings of your ASD kiddos, please no arguments back and forth about the whole vaccine topic. My four year old twins show no signs of autism (thank God) but they do have issues from prematurity....speech delays (not language or auditory processing) mainly and they're shy (they are not awkward nor do they appear oblivious when it comes to social skills). Our pediatrician is on top of things from an internal medicine perspective....for example, she picked up on a heart murmur that my daughter has from prematurity, she's referred my son to an ENT because of vocal cord nodules, she's been on top of their croup and asthma symptoms by getting us nebulizers, etc. So I'd rather not switch offices to another vaccine-friendly clinic. The nearest vaccine-friendly clinic is over 30 miles away and we rely heavily on the pediatrician's office because of all our kids.

If I chose to vaccinate our 4-year old twins, are there any measures that I should take beforehand? Or would everyone here strongly suggest that I do not vaccinate? How about a delayed VAX schedule? Long time in between Vax's? Giving them certain supps to beef up their immune sytem beforehand? Please let me know. I know this is a touchy subject here. I'll never let anyone stick another vax in Conor's arm, but he's had all of them already and I don't think there's anything left for the doctor to hound me about. However, my 4 year old twins are due, the school will be looking for documentation, etc., and I wanted to get everyone's input here.

Thank you!

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Re: Four Year Old Vaccines

Postby makingitpossible » Fri Aug 15, 2014 6:53 am

It's nice to hear from you Momof6!
It seems like Conor is doing well and it takes so much time so don't worry about slow progress, progress is progress, right!
There are a lot of vaccine protocols out there. I am not that familiar but know it has something to do with anti-inflammatories, antioxidants and chelation.
Another forum I follow just posted on this. Quite a few people reported they personally knew someone who became autistic after vaccines well beyond the age of 4 so you might want to consider that. One pediatrician wrote a book about it. Her daughter was well beyond all milestones with no delays and became autistic after her 4 year old shots. I can't remember her name or the name of the book but maybe someone else can help me.
It is hard though because if you kiddos need medical care, what do you do? I guess you have to do what you think is right for your kids and nobody else.

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Re: Four Year Old Vaccines

Postby momof6 » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:52 am

Hi Makingitpossible, Yes that really makes me think about what you said. Once in a while I get so confused with the facts. I risk the chance of damage by vaccines if I choose to vaccinate and I think I run the risk of my kids getting some crazy mumps or measles, etc. if I don't vaccinate and if they're exposed somewhere. There are actually a growing list of vaccine friendly docs in my area since I last checked. I have six kids so having a half of my kids farther away with less convenient hours, it will get confusing when we need to make doctors appointments. Thanks for your feedback.

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Re: Four Year Old Vaccines

Postby Mom_to_two » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:56 pm

You can run a blood test and check for titers and may not need to re-vaccinate if sufficient titers already exist. This would be win-win for you, your child, and for the school system. Good luck to you, hope this helps,

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Re: Four Year Old Vaccines

Postby momof6 » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:33 pm

Perfect, momtotwo. Are there any new vaccines for the 4-year olds? I did that last year when they wanted to give Conor (my HFA kid) a rubella booster, and his titers were off the charts so I said "no" and I wasn't going to anyway. Given the titers were so high, you'd think the doctor would have said, "no need to give a booster, but he still recommended it!" Yikes!

Again, just wondering if there are any new vaccines that they haven't already received from birth to 3 years? I wish I would have done this (run titers instead of revaccinating) with my older kids.

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Re: Four Year Old Vaccines

Postby momof6 » Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:29 pm

Hi Everyone, Again, long time no talk. I see some familiar names still on the forum here. Hope everyone is well and I hope to find some time to catch up on your latest posts to see how your kids are doing.

Just reintroducing this thread from last year because I was just at the pediatrician's office with my soon-to-be 5 year old (former preemie) b/g twins who will be entering Kindergarten this fall. I have to admit that last year I was cowardly and skipped their 4 year old checkup altogether just to avoid the vaccination issue with our very pro-vax pediatricians office. So, I just took the kids to their physical appointments for school, and I told the pediatrician that we were leaning toward not vaccinating any of our children anymore. All of our children have somewhat suppressed immune systems, especially our ASD child, and they all get sick a lot during the winter. There is so much evidence out there about vaccine injuries, whether autism or not, and many adverse effects do not even get officially reported. The reported numbers are inaccurately low. As everyone knows here, there are two schools of thought. Vaccines suppresses childrens' immune systems from the start and has caused a whole host of other problems including ASD and neurological issues to the most vulnerable kids. Another group, including my pediatricians office, says that parents are negligent if they don't vax and they're leaving their kids unprotected. Since I have an ASD kid, as well as kids with other emotional/neurological issues (anxiety, impulsivity, attention-related, childhood despression), I hesitate to vaccinate any further because of the link between vaccines and encephalitis/brain damage.

Four shots are due for my 5 year olds and the school is going to be giving us problems if we don't get them:

MMR#2
IPV#5
DTap#5
Varicella#2

I know our board here is conservative on vaccinations. Could I get some opinions of what you'd do for your kids (ie., not vax any further whatsoever, do only selective vax and do a high dose Vit. A protocol, do all vax with high dose Vit. A protocol, etc.)? At this point, the pediatrician is kicking us out if we don't vax. We have many other issues with our kids that are being followed by specialists (heart murmurs, cataracts, yearly Rx need to be written for continued private speech/OT, etc.); so we do need a good, highly accessible pediatrician's office to help coordinate care for all six of our kids. Last year, I had the pediatrician's office run titers on Conor, my ASD child, when they wanted to give him his second MMR and second Varicella, and he showed immunity off the charts. They STILL wanted to vaccinate him again because "that's their philosophy to adhere to AAP guildelines and running titers would go against their philosophy to vaccinate." So, yesterday when I mentioned running titers for my 5 year old twins, the pediatrician did not even entertain that option.

Which of the above Vax are considered the most dangerous?

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Re: Four Year Old Vaccines

Postby makingitpossible » Sun Jul 26, 2015 2:45 am


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Re: Four Year Old Vaccines

Postby Albert. S » Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:19 pm

..@momof6....out here in CA if you havent heard, some Jerk senator just passed a vaccine law about a month ago that vaccinations will be mandatory.. Only excuse is if your kid has Dr saying your child has immunity issues.. Other than that your screwed.. Can you imagine the autism and related disorders rate in CA will be in the coming years..??
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/30/health/california-vaccine-bill/

We relied on a sign off waivers.... that you could choose not to have your child vaccinated. My boy got his shots up until 9 months. And have waived everything since then.

As for your twins getting vaccinated? geez...that's a tough one. If they are strong in health right now speaking in terms of immunity then that's a plus, if you decided to do so. But even so....I feel reluctant just writing this to you..

THere's that old say, "ITs better to be safe than Sorry".

What I've gone through with my boy and still going through....I too will be fighting them soon.

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Re: Four Year Old Vaccines

Postby makingitpossible » Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:39 pm

Albert S.
Wasn't there a stipulation in the California bill that kids with an IEP were exempt from that new bill?

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Re: Four Year Old Vaccines

Postby makingitpossible » Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:42 pm

"It also clarifies that children with an IEP have access to any special education program related to their IEP regardless of immunization status."
Is this true?

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Re: Four Year Old Vaccines

Postby Albert. S » Tue Jan 05, 2016 2:57 pm

makingitpossible wrote:Albert S.
Wasn't there a stipulation in the California bill that kids with an IEP were exempt from that new bill?



.... Sorry, for getting back late on this. I never got a message for new message.. :{ As for IEP exemption? .. I dont know. My boy has one, so if its true then Yay..!!


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